Forget the cover story of waterboarding-leads-to-courier-leads-to bin Laden (not to deny the effectiveness of waterboarding, but it’s just not applicable in this case.) Sources in the intelligence community tell me that after years of trying and one bureaucratically insane near-miss in Yemen, the US government killed OBL because a Pakistani intelligence officer came forward to collect the approximately $25 million reward from the State Department's Rewards for Justice program.
The informant was a walk-in.
The ISI officer came forward to claim the substantial reward and to broker US citizenship for his family. My sources tell me that the informant claimed that the Saudis were paying off the Pakistani military and intelligence (ISI) to essentially shelter and keep bin Laden under house arrest in Abbottabad, a city with such a high concentration of military that I'm told there's no equivalent in the US.
The CIA and friends then set about proving that OBL was indeed there. And they did.
Next they approached the chiefs of the Pakistani military and the ISI. The US was going to come in with or without them. The CIA offered them a deal they couldn't refuse: they would double what the Saudis were paying them to keep bin Laden if they cooperated with the US. Or they could refuse the deal and live with the consequences: the Saudis would stop paying and there would be the international embarassment...
The ISI and Pakistani military were cooperating with the US on the raid.
The cooperation was why there were no troops in Abottabad. They were all pulled out. It had always seemed very far-fetched to me that a helicopter could crash and later destroyed in an area with such high military concentration without the Pakistanis noticing. But then it seemed even wilder to believe that a US Navy SEAL (DEVGRU) actually shot a woman who rushed them in the leg. Yeah, right. I know these guys. They only way they'll shoot a woman in the leg is if they are double tapping a head or chest and that leg got in the way.
DEVGRU shoots to kill.
The cover story was going to be a drone strike in Pakistan. Things went south when the helicopter crashed. The White House freaked and the cooperating Pakistanis were thrown under the bus.
Splat.
Although the White House really pissed off the intel and DEVGRU guys with their knee-jerk reaction that tossed the Pakistanis under the proverbial bus, ironically it did have the same outcome as the original CIA cover story: the way they were treated, no one believes Generals Kiyani and Pasha were cooperating with the US.
Big shaka for that, Barry!
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You said it was a "major international news story|" and you do not disappoint! Thank you so much for this interesting information.
So, Pakistani's took him down? Most interesting and not, ahem, in accordance with published accounts. Which smelled like fish even to me.
The burial at sea part, that still on?
Nice to see you blogging again.
Posted by: HotFlash | August 08, 2011 at 00:31
it;s reasonable to assume that anything to do with the bin laden kill op must be top secret - begs the question, how do you know all that you claim?
for all we know, you are making it all up?
Posted by: n. khan | August 08, 2011 at 02:20
"for all we know, you are making it all up?"
Or else your sources are feeding you fabrications in support of an undisclosed intelligence agenda or, on the other hand, to fulfill a rogue personal agenda?
Posted by: DuaneW | August 08, 2011 at 15:52
Interesting story, seems plausible. I'm not sure, though, what the White House was supposed to do differently once the chopper crashed -- it's hard to hide where you've been and why at that point.
Posted by: Thomas Nephew | August 08, 2011 at 15:56
"a rogue personal agenda"--that sounds way cool. Me like.
Note the rogue personal agendas on all the intel stories I've broken over the years. Nuff said.
Posted by: RJ Hillhouse | August 08, 2011 at 16:25
Why would the Saudis pay Pakistan to keep OBL hidden?
Posted by: Charl | August 08, 2011 at 17:00
Great to see back, and look forward to your informative posts.
Curious what correlation this news might have with the terrible loss this weekend in Tangi valley?
Posted by: Tony Foresta | August 08, 2011 at 17:06
"Why would the Saudis pay Pakistan to keep OBL hidden?"
Probably because he's a national hero to the Saudis, and either cooperating with the US in capturing him, or allowing him to come home, would put the Saudi royals in an untenable position. Perhaps they also appreciate his efforts "in God's cause".
http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
Posted by: Bill in Chicago | August 08, 2011 at 17:15
Like most novelsts, you have a very vivid imagination. Did you clear this with Rush before posting?
Posted by: George Caldwell | August 08, 2011 at 17:28
So, the Saudis were paying Pakistan to protect Bin Laden. In a way, it helps explain why Bush had no interest in finding him. The question now is - was it out of courtesy that Bush backed off, or was he being paid too?!?
Posted by: Michael Hesson | August 08, 2011 at 17:46
This would explain why they didn't have a measuring tape on them when they found the body.
Posted by: Nano | August 08, 2011 at 20:04
Wow. I'm always amazed by how many people think that once an academic writes a novel, they have been lobotomized and can never distinguish fact from fiction again.
Nano, I don't know about the measuring tape, but it's my understanding that the forensics person on the OBL team was a contractor. I haven't been able to confirm if the IC was private or from a corporation.
Posted by: RJ Hillhouse | August 08, 2011 at 22:40
Welcome back! Always interesting.
Posted by: Cynthia | August 09, 2011 at 00:48
90% of the Saudi population loathes Amerika. The Saudi royals fund and support wahabist jihadi factions, including al queda globally. Though I repudiate Trump on most grounds we agree that Saudi Arabia is an enemy - not a friend of America. Bushcrimefamilycabal profiteering notwithstanding.
Posted by: Tony Foresta | August 09, 2011 at 01:08
Torture is not part of the official story. And you can't help yourself from name calling.
Makes your story sound more like an agenda driven piece than a reliable account.
The irony is that bribery is perfectly plausible and even likely. But not how you describe it.
Posted by: Murray Abraham | August 09, 2011 at 10:10
"cooperating Pakistanis"?
you mean the Pakistan that was hiding bin ladin for $? oh, THAT cooperation!
poor Pakistani generals :(
otherwise, why would a cover story be a drone attack? on what? bin ladin? didn't they want "proof" of his death? wouldn't drone attack NOT do that?
what are you talking about?
Posted by: person america | August 09, 2011 at 10:19
Yeah, it is a little hard to feel sorry for P & K.
The cover story of a drone attack was supposed to be just that--a cover story to protect Pakistan's involvement. It's one thing to send a drone in -- we've done that a lot -- and quite another to send in SEALS. Not much explanation would have been necessary for a drone. It's great stealth capabilities kept radar from detecting and it was a down and dirty strike for which no explanation of why the nexus of Pakistani military didn't react.
It was a pretty clean cover -- and just that a cover. No drone attack was intended. The operation would have gone down as it did, minus the helo crash.
If SEAL involvement was acknowledged (as it was), it raises a billion questions of how multiple helicopters penetrated so deeply into the heart of the military complex without Pakistani cooperation.
Posted by: RJ Hillhouse | August 09, 2011 at 10:27
Just to clarify, you're saying that had the helicopter ~not~ crashed, the story would have been that OBL was killed in a drone strike?
Really? Such a cover story seems terribly naive. I doubt it would have held up for more than a few hours. Worse, it would (at least publicly) have left OBL's remains in the hands of the Pakistanis. This would raise all sorts of problems that neither Pakistan nor the US would desire.
As for that cover story not holding, helicopters are LOUD. The locals near the hideout heard and reported the low flying helicopters. Further, our congress leaks like a sieve when there's credit to be taken. Additionally, I can easily imagine proponents of the Seals wanting them to get their due credit and leaking their involvement to the press.
Any of those reports would have blown that cover story to bits, probably within hours, days at most.
On another topic, you leave unanswered the reason as to why OBL's wife was (very curiously) only shot in the leg. I fully agree that DEVGRU shoots to kill. Perhaps it has something to do with the initial plan of evacuating OBL's relatives for interrogation? Perhaps there were specific orders not to kill certain potential intelligence sources?
Posted by: Luther | August 09, 2011 at 16:45
So you're back, huh? And CTC just put in a call to Bruce Jessen (LoL). After re-reading your novel, Outsourced, I think that I've got it figured out--you used to be one of us and then went green, but I'm not quite sure for who. Just too many things in Outsourced that you wouldn't know unless you were aqua (i.e., blue who went green). I'll figure it out though. One thing's for sure, you're remarkably well-informed for a "civilian."
Posted by: Blueman | August 09, 2011 at 17:21
Welcome back, Blueman!
And how did you know I've been hanging out with a gnarly shrink lately on Waikiki beach? You guys are damn good!
I am touched you re-read Outsourced. I honestly never made it through it (cover to cover) and was thinking about taking it on now I have some distance and can no longer remember what the hell I wrote.
You know I never worked for you guys and I'm guessing you know whose door to knock on to find out. And you have to know my WaPo piece and OUTSOURCED could never had made it through the PRB--proof alone I'm an intel virgin.
Must be a little creepy to have a civilian who spies on the spies. ;)
BTW, isn't all green aqua by definition??
Welcome back!
Posted by: RJ Hillhouse | August 09, 2011 at 18:01
Why would anyone think the Saudis had no stake in protecting OBL? He's the lynch pin of their complete involvement in this push for the Caliphate.
Posted by: rustyhoundog | August 09, 2011 at 20:26
Welcome back, Dr. Hillhouse! Blueman, you twerp, what did they do, scramble your brains at your last promotion ceremony? Must have been like a one egg omlet. If you had paid attention during my staff meetings before I turned my badge in and went fishing instead of playing footsie with the HRM babe, you would realize that Dr Hillhouse is exactly the type of person that I was tryng to recruit. Too bad I hadn't heard of her before I pulled the plug. It would be nice to have that type of mind focused on our problems instead of the abstraction of decrypting feckless cover stories. Oh, well, welcome back anyway, RJ.
Posted by: Retired | August 09, 2011 at 23:02
Dr. Hillhouse, Larry Johnson made the same claims in May. Were you aware of this? Did you speak with him or possibly the same sources?
Posted by: Jeremy Cohen | August 10, 2011 at 12:06
Jeremy, I haven't followed Larry's blog for some time. It's excellent, but I've been deep in other projects until recently. Will check it out.
Seems our sources are telling us similar things. It's highly doubtful that we share the same sources, but you never know.
Posted by: RJ Hillhouse | August 10, 2011 at 19:19
hi,it was intresting story
so in notherword : the king
of saudi is and was the lidar of
alqaeda no ben laden,BL was just
a 3rd hand person in al ghaeda.
Posted by: Siamak Karimi | August 10, 2011 at 22:35
Worthless when there is no checkable sourcing. For all we know, you've been fed a cover story. I expected better from you.
In any event, not sure this really changes anything. We still got him, which is good, and we still know major elements of Pakistani Saudi culture are deeply out of sync with our interests.
Posted by: Nimblebooks | August 11, 2011 at 11:54
(not to deny the effectiveness of waterboarding, but it’s just not applicable in this case.)
Should we take this as a hint of another man-bites-dog story in the wings? Real actionable intel that came from waterboarding someone only 82 times?
Seriously, though, do you know the Hartley/Kinnich books? I found Get People To Do What You Want on clearance. Hartley claims to be a white hat military interrogator who worked at Gitmo. He said something really interesting about interrogation techniques.
The older classic school of just hanging with the guy and chatting is still the best for getting real intel, but it is not as effective with religious nutbars as it is with soldiers. Soldier conditioning is to the soldier's unit and for officers to the organization and culture represented by his colleagues. When the subject is removed from this social backup, he is marooned and weak and can be slowly turned. Religious loonbats have strong conditioning to an abstract idea as well as his compatriots, and are thus less vulnerable than a soldier who is separated from his platoon. But waterboarding, 90db rock for days at a time, and enforced c-lingus are ineffective and noose-worthy.
Glad you're back.
Posted by: Bambi La Ronda | August 12, 2011 at 05:54
one thing IS clear : 911 is controlled demolition, therefore inside flase flag make-it-happen operation.
Ladin might have wanted to do it in revenge for destruction of Iraq, but could have never succeeded.
www.911investigate.blogspot.com
www.twitter.com/911news
Posted by: 911Truth Controlled Demolition | August 12, 2011 at 06:10
and one more: WHY wasnt bin Ladin just brought to justice?
what's up with this extrajudicial killing of main suspect?
Posted by: 911Truth Controlled Demolition | August 12, 2011 at 06:17
Unless it was a low-ranking, low-paid, Shia,"rogue" ISI operative, most Pakistani Military/ISI generals DO make more than than the piddly $25 million US govt. was offering - courtesy U.S. tax payers and PA owning most businesses in Pakistan. Not enough incentive, in my humble opinion! Besides, the lower ranks within ISI are more radicalized than the top brass, so less chances of committing this sacrilegious act.
Posted by: Shah Rukh Kahn | August 14, 2011 at 18:37
The spark that caused the riot was the shooting of a black by police, but the riot that ensued appears to have been dominated by looters (many of them white) hoping to get away with their loot in the confusion of a riot. They seem not to have reckoned with England’s extraordinary network of surveillance cameras, or with the anger of the people (including the Pakistani storekeepers victimized by the looters), which has resulted in many arrests and the swift imposition of substantial prison sentences on the looters and now a movement to evict looters and their families from publicly subsidized housing. The evicted may be more prone to engage in criminal activity, but the hope is that the threat of eviction, and of collective punishment (family members along with the malefactor), will deter more riotous behavior than it encourages.
Posted by: Christian Louboutin Sale | August 22, 2011 at 23:56
Grasp the current time, wasted time let him become the past? The opportunity ahead!
Posted by: Jordan Flight SC-1 | September 02, 2011 at 04:41
It was all strategic deception.i seriously doubt if there was any Bin Laden in the compound, yes his family was there. It is unbelievable that Al- Qaeda's top leader and founder would be in a compound guarded by only two armed persons. can Al QAEDA dump its leader who was revered like a saint?
What was in that body bag no one knows. The muslim world is used to seeing dead, mutilated bodies killed in drone attacks and terrorist bombings. I would believe when they show OBL's dead body images. HE PROBABLY DIED MANY YEARS AGO.
Posted by: Brig Retd Farooq Hameed Khan | September 02, 2011 at 04:43
Your article seems like a potboiler to me. Is what you have said possible. Well it is, as adidas puts it out in their ads "impossible is nothing". But is it probable, likely not.
For one, when Isralies blew out Syrian nuclear facility in Operation Orchard, they used a software that when used could effectively jam enemy radars (Suter airborne network attack system). That is why Israeli jets were not detected by the Syrians when they bombed the facility.
Further more, it this was a "controlled operation" as you put out, why did the helicopter at all crash. Could it not have been made to land in a place further away. After all there were open fields of potatoes and god knows what next to this safe house, no other buildings. And why helicopters, when you could have driven up to the house, if the Pakistanis were really cooperating.
No military is always in a state of heightened alert unless there is reason for it. If the Pakistanis didnot know the Americans were coming, then it is highly probable that all radar units were not continuously monitoring air traffic. After all, Americans flew in from Afghanistan, a direction from which Pakistan least expects an attack. India, with whom they seem to have a life long animosity is on the opposite side of Afghan- Pakistan border.
Further, on such a sensitive topic as this, I really donot think the US President will boldly stride into a room and make an announcement to the world that is a blatant lie.
Oh ! and one more thing, why shoot Bin Laden's wife in the leg. Probably because they were instructed to limit collateral damage. Any collateral damage would have undermined the success of the raid. A clean surgical strike is what would bolster America's image. Seal Team 6 shoots to kill only when they want. Trust me, not all the bullets they fire have some one's name written on it or has to have a name written on it
Posted by: Interesting Reader | September 16, 2011 at 03:45